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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 12:29 pm 
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Hi everyone

This is my first post, but I've come to this site often in the last 2 years, for advice on our first Bengal, Leopold. Leopold is now 18 months old and we just received our new Bengal kitten, Athena. We are struggling to get them used to each other! Leopold has had a hard time claiming his territory it has to be said. When he first started going outside there was a roaming cat (which clearly considered our garden HIS territory!) and he attacked Leopold repeatedly, with numerous vet visits, and Leopold nearly lost his tail on one of the occasions. As he grew, he defended his territory successfully and the other cat no longer comes.

We brought Athena (12 weeks) home 5 days ago and Leopold has been quite aggressive towards her. She purrs and wants desperately to play with him. She is still isolated in her room and the first time we let him in he immediately started hissing and growling at her and swatted her with his paw repeatedly. We tried again the following day and each day after that, keeping it to about 2-4 minutes per meeting, depending how it goes. They kind of play but he is very rough with her and uses his teeth and eventually she lies on her back crying and I separate them. So I guess you can say SOME progress compared to day 1 but in the last few days not much of a change.

Any advice?? (besides keeping on doing what we're doing and try to be patient :wink: )
Or stories of success after a similar start?


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:44 am 
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Hi! Perhaps is you train Leopold to connect Athena with positive things? Feed them nearby, play with them (separately) in the same room (need two people for that) and get them treats when they are together... I'm sure others may advice better stuff here. Oh, and check out the book "cat Vs cat" if trouble continues.


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 11:19 am 
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Thanks so much for that advice! I will definitely try some of your ideas.
Today has been going much better already - perhaps they just need time to get used to each other. They have actually been playing a bit and seem to enjoy each other's company for a good 5-10 minutes before it starts getting out of hand.


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:46 pm 
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Athena is in her safe room, right? The first thing you do is start swapping scents before you ever introduce the cats. This needs to go on for several days. It seems these two have already met and it's not going well. Leopold is defending his territory. Thus, you need to make sure each cat has its own space. You will need multiple cat trees, multiple litter boxes, multiple toys, cat beds, etc.

You can start feeding them in the same general area making the food the distraction. You can also play with them together, making the toy the distraction. Know you may spend time separating them from any type of aggression from Leopold. It takes time and patience.

That being said ... you've already discovered that allowing Leopold outside was not a good idea! Just because that other cat no longer antagonizes Leopold, that doesn't mean another alpha cat isn't in the area won't arrive in your area. Add a catio or cat enclosure and keep both of your babies safe. You've made a $$ investment in your babies.


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:23 pm 
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IngaB wrote:
We brought Athena (12 weeks) home 5 days ago and Leopold has been quite aggressive towards her. She purrs and wants desperately to play with him. She is still isolated in her room and the first time we let him in he immediately started hissing and growling at her and swatted her with his paw repeatedly. We tried again the following day and each day after that, keeping it to about 2-4 minutes per meeting, depending how it goes. They kind of play but he is very rough with her and uses his teeth and eventually she lies on her back crying and I separate them. So I guess you can say SOME progress compared to day 1 but in the last few days not much of a change.

Any advice?? (besides keeping on doing what we're doing and try to be patient :wink: )
Or stories of success after a similar start?


Hmm, is there hissing or growling from Leopold still? Can you describe the encounter in more detail? Is Athena frightened of Leopold when he comes in each time? It wouldn't be surprising that they are unable to really "play" right now. Athena is at a stage of development where she's not really able to engage in a full-fledged play session in the way Leopold would like to play. And that's too be expected.

Here's what success looks like at this stage: Leopold doesn't hiss or growl, but is eager to come in and see the kitten. He engages her, maybe plays a little too rough, but doesn't actually hurt her. And when you break it up, he lets you do that without a fuss. On the kitten's end, you want to see her not afraid of him, initially, each time he comes in. She eagerly engages in play, but then inevitably gets the worst of it. Maybe she screams bloody murder, but then after they are broken up, she bounces back and is ready to have another go with the adult cat. If this is what you are seeing, then everything is actually cool. Keep doing what you are doing, but obviously don't let them together unsupervised. The key is that Leopold is showing no territorial aggression, and that Athena still is keen to play with him.

If Athena is actually now afraid of him, doesn't want to play, shrinks away, then they are not ready, even for short supervised play sessions yet. You need to wait a bit. If Leopold is still territorial (hissing, growling etc) then they are also not ready.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:42 pm 
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Sherry wrote:
Athena is in her safe room, right? The first thing you do is start swapping scents before you ever introduce the cats. This needs to go on for several days. It seems these two have already met and it's not going well. Leopold is defending his territory. Thus, you need to make sure each cat has its own space. You will need multiple cat trees, multiple litter boxes, multiple toys, cat beds, etc.

You can start feeding them in the same general area making the food the distraction. You can also play with them together, making the toy the distraction. Know you may spend time separating them from any type of aggression from Leopold. It takes time and patience.

That being said ... you've already discovered that allowing Leopold outside was not a good idea! Just because that other cat no longer antagonizes Leopold, that doesn't mean another alpha cat isn't in the area won't arrive in your area. Add a catio or cat enclosure and keep both of your babies safe. You've made a $$ investment in your babies.


Thanks so much for your response Sherry! Yes Athena is in her safe room and their meetings are strictly supervised at the moment. Leopold is very much an outside cat during the day (we have a big garden that he loves, he always comes in for supper and sleeps inside) so during the day she can now start exploring the house. Things are going better. Thank you for your advice Sherry!


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:46 pm 
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brianj12 wrote:
IngaB wrote:
We brought Athena (12 weeks) home 5 days ago and Leopold has been quite aggressive towards her. She purrs and wants desperately to play with him. She is still isolated in her room and the first time we let him in he immediately started hissing and growling at her and swatted her with his paw repeatedly. We tried again the following day and each day after that, keeping it to about 2-4 minutes per meeting, depending how it goes. They kind of play but he is very rough with her and uses his teeth and eventually she lies on her back crying and I separate them. So I guess you can say SOME progress compared to day 1 but in the last few days not much of a change.

Any advice?? (besides keeping on doing what we're doing and try to be patient :wink: )
Or stories of success after a similar start?


Hmm, is there hissing or growling from Leopold still? Can you describe the encounter in more detail? Is Athena frightened of Leopold when he comes in each time? It wouldn't be surprising that they are unable to really "play" right now. Athena is at a stage of development where she's not really able to engage in a full-fledged play session in the way Leopold would like to play. And that's too be expected.

Here's what success looks like at this stage: Leopold doesn't hiss or growl, but is eager to come in and see the kitten. He engages her, maybe plays a little too rough, but doesn't actually hurt her. And when you break it up, he lets you do that without a fuss. On the kitten's end, you want to see her not afraid of him, initially, each time he comes in. She eagerly engages in play, but then inevitably gets the worst of it. Maybe she screams bloody murder, but then after they are broken up, she bounces back and is ready to have another go with the adult cat. If this is what you are seeing, then everything is actually cool. Keep doing what you are doing, but obviously don't let them together unsupervised. The key is that Leopold is showing no territorial aggression, and that Athena still is keen to play with him.

If Athena is actually now afraid of him, doesn't want to play, shrinks away, then they are not ready, even for short supervised play sessions yet. You need to wait a bit. If Leopold is still territorial (hissing, growling etc) then they are also not ready.


Hi Brian
That is such a helpful response THANK YOU! What you describe as normal is exactly what's happening now. Leopold no longer hisses or growls (that was only the case the first time when they met). They both want to get to each other. Athena is not scared of him at all she just wants to play and pounce on Leopold. They chase each other through the house... He does end up overpowering her and I have to separate them BUT she is acting completely normal/unhurt afterwards and she is always always still keen to play with him. Also when I remove her from him when he starts overpowering her, he lets me do so easily. It is SO good to know these are all good signs! Thank you :-)


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 3:06 pm 
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Athena will grow in size and hold her own with Leopold. So natural for bengals to rough house! You are doing the right thing in separating them when things get too rough. As time goes on, they will get better with each other.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:20 am 
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IngaB wrote:
Hi Brian
That is such a helpful response THANK YOU! What you describe as normal is exactly what's happening now. Leopold no longer hisses or growls (that was only the case the first time when they met). They both want to get to each other. Athena is not scared of him at all she just wants to play and pounce on Leopold. They chase each other through the house... He does end up overpowering her and I have to separate them BUT she is acting completely normal/unhurt afterwards and she is always always still keen to play with him. Also when I remove her from him when he starts overpowering her, he lets me do so easily. It is SO good to know these are all good signs! Thank you :-)



No problem. Yea, getting used to bengal-on-bengal rough play takes some getting used to. And to some extent, the "screaming bloody murder" part is "part of the game". But you just have to look carefully and objectively at what's happening to see if you need to break it up and/or separate them. Usually you look at the "victim" to determine this. Glad to hear things are going well. Sounds like a great friendship is in the working.

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